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[Hyzera]

The other media outlets were paid not to shed any light on this subject. But, it is in fact happening. The North American Union.

United States, Canada, and Mexico will be joining together to form one large country and the currency will be called the "Amero".

However, one brave media outlet refused the bribe and broadcasted their message around the nation. Thank you CNN.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vda1KRF75M

You can see how disturbed the CNN man gets near the end when he says shakes his head and says "this is outrageous".
Say good bye to the constitution and bill of rights! Bush should be charged with treason, imo.

He is setting up all this without Congress's approval which is in in violation of our Constitution and the Logan Act.

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The Constitution of the United States . . . Article I: Section. 10.
Clause 3:

No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.

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Logan Act Violations . . .
§ 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.

Well, how is the government going to keep track of the citizens from 3 countries? Say hello to the Real ID Act. Effective May 2008.


The card is just the beginning. Soon, they will use microchips injected into our bodies. By then, all life will revolve around the chip/card. If you protest agaisnt the government, all they need to do is to turn off your chip. All aspects of life will be then be shut off from you.

A quote from the pentagon that really pissed me off was "A massive database that the government will use to monitor every purchase made by every American citizen as a tool to fight the war on terror"

Read that over. How will knowing what brand of toothpaste I buy help prevent terrorism?

Not just Americans are outraged by this, Canadians too!
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=51904

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President Bush is pursuing a globalist agenda to create a North American Union, effectively erasing our borders with both Mexico and Canada. This was the hidden agenda behind the Bush administration's true open borders policy.

Secretly, the Bush administration is pursuing a policy to expand NAFTA politically, setting the stage for a North American Union designed to encompass the you.S. Canada, and Mexico. What the Bush administration truly wants is the free, unimpeded movement of people across open borders with Mexico and Canada.

President Bush intends to abrogate you.S. sovereignty to the North American Union, a new economic and political entity which the President is quietly forming, much as the European Union has formed.

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Bush is just going to use terrorism as an excuse like he always does. Look at what the rights that we've already lost in order to "fight terrorism"

The Patriot Act

The Patriot Act allows Spying, Government Access to Phone + Email Communications, Access To Other Records.

Violation of the Fourth Amendment.


The Military Commissions Act

Anyone Deemed An Enemy Combatant Can Be Detained Indefinitely Without A Trial.

Violation of the Fifth and Sixth Amendment.



The Protect America Act of 2007

Increases Spying And Wiretapping Powers.

Again a violation of the Fourth Amendment.



Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act

Allows The Warrantless Opening of Mail.

Violation of the Fourth Amendment.



The REAL ID Act of 2005

National ID Card That Will Be Required To Enter Federal Buildings Or Fly In Aircraft -- Takes Effect In December 2009


Free speech zones

Free speech zones are one of the most unconstitutional things I have ever heard of. They are areas where activists are forced to protest, and are often placed out of sight, making the protest ineffective.

Violation of the First Amendment
Free Speech Zones
Free Speech Zones

Also FBI Monitoring Internet


You can't forget martial law...

Martial Law hasn't been enacted yet, but it seems they have plans for it.

John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007 ~ Sec. 1076

Bush authorizes martial law


NSPD 51

Encreased Presidential Power And Possible Martial Law In The Event Of A "Catastrophic Emergency Severely Affecting The you.S. Population, Infrastructure, Environment, Economy, or Government Functions"

CoG: National Security Presidential Directive #51
Bush's Martial Law Plan Is So Shocking, Even Congress Can't See it
Homeland Security Enlists Clergy to Quell Public Unrest if Martial Law Ever Declared

They may not be arresting everyone that criticizes the government, but I still think that this is a significant loss of freedom and privacy.

Everything our founding fathers fought for, only to end up like this...it's sad.

Deny ignorance. Only when the government fears the people can there be true freedom.

So, let's discuss this. What do you guys think of this? Don't think this is going to happen? PM me and i'll give you a copy of letters a friend of mine exchanged with a US congressman concerning this subject.

This is an open discussion, no flaming please. Thank you.

[randomania3]

Well, if Bush were to try make this move for an NAU, he'd have to get the backing of congress- which is now majority Democrat- and then there's the judicial check- I doubt either pt. would want to merge with Canada or Mexico, particularly Mexico because the laws there are so dramatically different. 2nd of all- huge conflicts b/n the govt's or Mexico and the U.S. - those videos were taken from youtube- not the most reliable sourc eof information. So Bush could be impeached for breach of constitution with that notion- not to meniton come January 2009, he WILL be replaced, no ifs or buts about it. We may not know who'll win the '08 election- but none of the candidates have any such ideas as far as the public knows right now. Let's just hope America votes right. (and yes, I definitely agree with you- many of the latest acts totally deny parts of the original Constitution and the Bill of Rights- but then again- slavery was against the individual rights of Blacks, who are people and that lasted for almost a hundred yrs after the Constitution was made. There are so many breaks of the constituion lately (well, actually since the very start) that it would drive the courts crazy in trying to correct them. (and look at the Jena 6 case, we know through that just how BACKWARD America can be).

[Hyzera]

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those videos were taken from youtube- not the most reliable sourc eof information.

Ah, I knew i was going to get responces like that..But watch the videos. CNN talked about it, not some random unknown video editor.

But, thanks for the reply nevertheless.

I'm not sure If I will even vote once i'm of age. Voting for the lesser evil is still voting for someone evil. But If I dont vote, the soldiers that died to break away from Great Britian would have died in vain.

Let's just hope America will do what's right.

Edit- Bush is already doing it without Congress's approval. He's violating the Constitution and the Logan Act.

[EndocrineFlippa]

This thread makes me laugh

First of all, all you have are a bunch of links that prove nothing.... they're basically a collection of links to try to bash the president... Sure I don't like him, but most of the things you posted a quite.... stupid.

First of all there is no secret plan to unite Canada, the you.S. and Mexico. There is NAFTA which was been around since the early 1990s which I believed removed tariffs between the three countries and made trade easier. This however will probably be ended or modified when Bush leaves office as many believe it is hurting our economy. I believe there was a bill at some point to connect the countries further (but by no means combine them) but I'm sure that, that failed. I remember seeing something on CNN about that. I'd also like to point out that the articles you have are from over a year ago.

Also, the Real ID Act is not for 3 countries, it would be for the you.S. only. Other countries including France already have a national ID card in place and its not some scary Orwellian thing. It would just simplify lots of things.

That microchip in our bodies comment doesn't even deserve a response.

And, I'd like to see where that quote came from because I really doubt that the government would or would be able to monitor people's purchases. And also are you trying to say that the National ID card would be used for all our purchases? Because it most definitely wouldn't. It would be used for things like customs when entering the country and for the police and such.

Also I really don't care what the opinion of websites like humanevents.com. Just cause you quote them doesn't mean what they say is true or contains any substantial information whatsoever. I'd also like to point out that those articles are from 2006 as well.

I'm not going to bother debunking the other things you posted but look at what the laws actually say before you say that they violate the bill of rights. Technically the Patriot Act doesn't because its under "reasonable suspicion", you could argue that it does, but technically it doesn't.

I'm aware of directive 51 and i heard about it before reading this topic actually. Its pretty disturbing actually but Bush can only assume powers in the event of a catastrophe (lets just hope that one doesn't happen or that one isn't created by the Administration)

Anyways, the only thing that you have proven to me is that you are the type of person who believes in conspiracy theories and though I don't support Bush or anything he is doing, I also don't believe things like that Bush is trying to combine with Mexico and Canada into "Amero" ...

[naharissya]

EndocrineFlippa, on Sep 22 2007, 11:29 PM, said:

This thread makes me laugh

First of all, all you have are a bunch of links that prove nothing.... they're basically a collection of links to try to bash the president... Sure I don't like him, but most of the things you posted a quite.... stupid.

First of all there is no secret plan to unite Canada, the you.S. and Mexico. There is NAFTA which was been around since the early 1990s which I believed removed tariffs between the three countries and made trade easier. This however will probably be ended or modified when Bush leaves office as many believe it is hurting our economy. I believe there was a bill at some point to connect the countries further (but by no means combine them) but I'm sure that, that failed. I remember seeing something on CNN about that. I'd also like to point out that the articles you have are from over a year ago.

Also, the Real ID Act is not for 3 countries, it would be for the you.S. only. Other countries including France already have a national ID card in place and its not some scary Orwellian thing. It would just simplify lots of things.

Why do you keep spelling US like that?

[Hyzera]

Thanks for flaming me?

I never said I believed any of this. I just presented the information to see what other people thought of it.

Let's just say this was to happen. How would you feel? What are your reactions? All I'm asking for are opinions, not endless trolling and flaming.

Also, the real ID act is very dangerous. Everyone's private information will be stored in one huge server. Well, any determined hacker can break in and steal identities. Killing 301,139,947 birds with one stone.

[Charles]

naharissya, on Sep 23 2007, 09:51 AM, said:

Why do you keep spelling US like that?

That is a filter in the forums to prevent abbreviations. It turns all the u's into you's.

[tycoonboy388]

Hyzera, on Sep 23 2007, 08:56 AM, said:

Also, the real ID act is very dangerous. Everyone's private information will be stored in one huge server. Well, any determined hacker can break in and steal identities. Killing 301,139,947 birds with one stone.

They can already do that. Most people have social security cards, so the Social Security Administration already has the information of the 300 million + citizens of the United States in one single system. If someone hacks it, then they have all of our information. Your social security card is already a form of a national ID. A national ID (note the National ID is separate, but not totally different than, the REAL ID, its also worth noting that NY is at the standards required by the REAL ID) would not become an abuse of power. You would only have to use the ID to enter the country (you already need a Passport for that), if you are stopped by an officer of the law (you need to present some ID) or enter a government building (you need to show ID). This isn't an abuse of power. Also, a national ID would help deter employers from hiring illegal immigrants (if that is an issue for you).

As for the whole "North American Union," Lou Dobbs has lost his mind. While he can certainly still be poignant about some issues, the Bush administration has made him lose his mind when it comes to relations with our neighbors to the north and south. I love how everyone talks about this prospect as if the US can just annex Canada and Mexico, as if the people of Canada or Mexico would accept it. Most Canadians are happy with their independence (especially since the exchange rate is now better for them), and Mexico has too many structural issues to be joined with two highly developed countries.

[AFaust3]

EndocrineFlippa, on Sep 22 2007, 11:29 PM, said:

This thread makes me laugh

Agreed. The items presented are loosely connected through theory and paranoid rhetoric, and most of those items to begin with are vaguely based on fact (if at all). I can't stand people who think they know it all and say "this will happen, just you see, I have proof that you're all wrong."

Outlandish conspiracy theory discussion really annoys me. So what about having a national ID card? I'd rather use that for identification rather than a social security number.

I understand you don't like the president, but please do something more constructive with your time and energy, like draft those articles of impeachment you allude to. I'm sure this "congressman" you spoke to (I love the fact that he remains nameless) will be thrilled.

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[Hyzera]

AFaust3, on Sep 23 2007, 01:12 PM, said:

Agreed. The items presented are loosely connected through theory and paranoid rhetoric, and most of those items to begin with are vaguely based on fact (if at all). I can't stand people who think they know it all and say "this will happen, just you see, I have proof that you're all wrong."

Outlandish conspiracy theory discussion really annoys me. So what about having a national ID card? I'd rather use that for identification rather than a social security number.

I understand you don't like the president, but please do something more constructive with your time and energy, like draft those articles of impeachment you allude to. I'm sure this "congressman" you spoke to (I love the fact that he remains nameless) will be thrilled.

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Afaust3, please read the 6th post.